So uhhh

"bob and john" (bobandjohn) 11/29/2015 at 20:23 • Filed to: None

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Someone remind me what is so bad about lotus evoras?

i think it straddles the line between day-to-day car and weekend car...
its toyota mechanics, so theoretically, it SHOULD be a 1/2 decent DD right?

asindhidude > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:30

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It is the REAL new NSX. But people don’t get it.

C62030 > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:31

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I don’t think there’s really anything wrong with the car - I like the looks and the handling is, well, a Lotus, so it’s like a larger Elise, really. But I think $70,000 is a bit steep for something with a nasty interior when you could spend nearly $20k less on a Cayman if you just wanted a practical weekend car.

Blondude > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:33

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Nothing?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:33

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I just find it a little dated.

bob and john > C62030 11/29/2015 at 20:38

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well, a 2010 is going for around 50K can atm...might be something worth looking into later?

also, what cayman stays at 50K? by the time you finish adding any options you want, its a 75k car. (also, they want 160K for a fully loaded GT4 in canada. LOL)

TractorPillow > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:42

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Nothing. It’s amazing and my wife’s next car. She is getting one and keeping her Camry as the “family”car.

BeaterGT > C62030 11/29/2015 at 20:43

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Nasty interior? It’s pretty nice for a Lotus.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:44

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British build quality, not powered by a Cosworth engine, company’s always on the verge of going tits up.

bob and john > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/29/2015 at 20:46

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fuck the cosworth, with the yota i can get parts and its not going to fall apart (the engine at least)

TractorPillow > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:48

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True that. My old Elise was the second most reliable car I’ve ever owned...behind my 08 Camry. And the Elise’s main issue was the aftermarket Cobra alarm system that came with the car from the factory. Close to 80k miles and no real issues. Can’t complain about that.

TractorPillow > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:49

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You can get them in the mid 40’s with 20k miles and some haggling. I think (hope) prices go down once the 400’s get here.

bob and john > TractorPillow 11/29/2015 at 20:49

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sounds like if I want one I need to go to the states.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:53

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You can daily anything if you try hard enough and are willing to make some sacrifices. But weren’t these the ones where power windows were an option, or am I thinking of a different Lotus?

bob and john > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 11/29/2015 at 20:55

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your thinking of the exige/elise, which are more track cars.

this was a bit more of a grand tourer.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 20:57

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All of the names begin with the same letter. So confusing.

bob and john > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 11/29/2015 at 20:59

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Its a lotus tradition XD.
“The name “Evora” keeps the Lotus tradition of beginning model names with an “E”. The name is derived from the words evolution, vogue, and aura. [12] Other names considered were Eagle , Exira and Ethos ; Exira was rejected as it was considered not good enough and the other two because it would be difficult for Lotus to claim them as a trademark. [2] The name “Evora” sounds similar to Évora , which is the name of a Portuguese city and UNESCO World Heritage Site , in Portugal .

“

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:01

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You asked what’s wrong with it, so I gave you my answer, jeez.

bob and john > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/29/2015 at 21:02

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How is being powered by something reliably and tht I can bolt a SC to no problem bad?

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:04

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TIL. That’s neat.

pjhusa > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:05

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Price.

bob and john > pjhusa 11/29/2015 at 21:07

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I know in canada they are stupid OP.

but apperently you can get thing in the states for 40K with 20K miles on them? According to someone elses comment..

pjhusa > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:07

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Hmm. I'm more of a new person.

bob and john > pjhusa 11/29/2015 at 21:09

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so one of like 3 people on oppo.

/me pulls out the clip board and puts on my shrink hat
so, why do you think you have this, buy new disease. XD

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:15

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I’ve read that early 2GR’s are prone to ovalling the bores in race conditions. Not sure if that affects the Evora though.

hike > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:15

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I saw one of these in the Detroit area a couple weeks ago. I’m pretty sure it’s the only British car I saw the whole time I was there.

Anyways, seeing it reminded me that it existed and had me thinking exactly the same as you. I think they look great, the Toyota V6 is bulletproof, and it is a Lotus. I’m guessing the lack of dealer network and somewhat high MSRP kill it. Also lacks the rep of Porsche, so the guys who buy Porsche for the name aren’t likely to consider Lotus.

Nauraushaun > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 11/29/2015 at 21:16

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I’ve tried to learn the logic behind this before and failed. Cool!

bob and john > hike 11/29/2015 at 21:16

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well, its not like Lotus has a rep like toyota. they are a high class automaker.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Nauraushaun 11/29/2015 at 21:19

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It’s a great idea.

chaozbandit > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:19

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The value. $90-100K CAD, more or less, for a well optioned later model 2+2 even in the used market. Just give it a look on Autotrader.

bob and john > chaozbandit 11/29/2015 at 21:22

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look at my last post. Lol’d hard

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:24

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Because it’s not a Ford Cosworth mill like Colin Bruce Chapman would have used.

bob and john > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/29/2015 at 21:29

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yea, and look what a great reliability rating HE got the company too

*gets telegram* WAIT this just in! He didnt.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:36

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Nothing inherently wrong, aside from the asymmetrical aspect of the driveshafts causing a differential torque effect, but that is less pronounced with the rear wheels that aren’t steered, as opposed to FWD torque-steer.

The only issue is... for Porsche Cayman money, it isn’t a Porsche Cayman.

On the used market, if they go for less than a Cayman of similar year and miles, then that might be rectified.

The front fascia with the giddy emoticon smile is another downside, but not necessarily a deal breaker for everyone. The refreshed Evora 400 isn’t any better... but the S3 Exige shows that Lexus can design a cool front fascia.

Oh, and they all should have a black roof, rather than a body-colored “cap” look, and most of them should be Lotus Racing Green.

hike > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 21:49

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They just don’t have the same mainstream recognition that a brand like Porsche has.

bob and john > hike 11/29/2015 at 21:57

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also dont have the same main stream dentist/orthodontist rep either

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 22:02

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Lotus is pretty bad at paying suppliers for their stuff. Honda doesn't touch Lotus for this reason. Probably the same reason the 2ZZ isn't made anymore.

bob and john > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 11/29/2015 at 22:07

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the company yes. I’m talking about the car.

pjhusa > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 22:07

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I'm the new Tom McParland.

PushToStart > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/29/2015 at 22:08

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You must be super thrilled about them using Mercedes engines in F1 then, lmao

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > PushToStart 11/29/2015 at 22:26

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Team Lotus has nothing to do with Lotus, fyi.

EL_ULY > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 22:30

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How much time do you have?

-Lotus employee

bob and john > EL_ULY 11/29/2015 at 22:34

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lesson me oh great cookie monster

EL_ULY > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 22:41

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I’d rather you ask me specific questions. For now I can tell you that they are the best cars I’ve ever driven AND!!!!!! the worst cars I’ve ever dealt with. To quote a couple customers, “they are beautiful pieces of shit!”

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 22:46

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I saw a higher km (I think it had 145,000kms on it) 2010 basemodel for sale for $40,000. It did not last long.

bob and john > EL_ULY 11/29/2015 at 22:47

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hmm.
engine i’m assuming is good.
trans missions? IDK
electronics I’m assuming are bad.
what do they normally come in for?

EL_ULY > bob and john 11/29/2015 at 23:31

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Engine perfect, some auto trans issues. A lot of manual trans issues. Electronics....worst in the history of cars. If you try to fix one thing, 80 bazillion other things fail. Common issues..... everything not engine related

Door locks

Alarm

Tail light assemblies

A lot if A/C compressor issues (because mid engine/front condenser and shitty lines)

Clutches

Window regulators

Cooling system ALL (except water pump)

ALL interior trim

ALL weather seals

Most of all, owners either not driving them at all causing issues (brake squeak, CEL’s, etc. for sitting too long)

Or

Driving them too hard in the streets*

*streets have curbs and potholes aka scratched wheels, sheild damage, boddy damage, glass broken

Inportant note, a lot or ALL of these issues are included in most Repair Orderes. It’s pretty rare having an Evora come in with only one complaint. While trying to solve these complaints, shit 100% not related to the repair breaks. Doing the typical radiator hoses (which are routed horrible like every fucking thing in the car) all of a sudden, the injector driver fails because LOTUS!!!!!!!

They are not handcrafted buy British engineers that have a passion for motorsport....hahahahah NOPE! Just a bunch of blokes building a car from an automotive recycle bin of shitty ass parts.

BUT!!!!!

If everything is good and you have an Evora S on fresh Michelins at an open track.... there is NO CAR on sale today that will drive better!!!! 100% fact goddammit! They are fucking beyond perfect, the BEST driving car in the market. Once we launch the 400, i’ll try to do an OPPO review. 400HP on that magical chassis is pure automotive bliss... when it’s not broken

bob and john > EL_ULY 11/29/2015 at 23:37

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so basicly your saying: drive it, but dont beat on it, make sure everything gets throught it cycles, and it will be a dream?

worst case, if I get to fed up, rip everything out because racercar

EL_ULY > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 00:00

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Oh you can drive it hard, but in the right environment (track). They can take a beating like a champ just like the V8 Vantage and be just fine. It’s a racecar unlike the Jaguar F-Type. Yeah I said it, that and the Alfa 4C are poser racecars to make enthusiasts all giggly on the street. *shots fired* fuck da F-Type and Alfa 4C

bob and john > EL_ULY 11/30/2015 at 00:07

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I always thought the F-type was a GTer. not a racer car.

I’ take a V6 Ftype with a manual, in white. please and thank you.

EL_ULY > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 00:14

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Evora has a back seat. We have a Jag dealer across the street and an Alfa dealer the next light over. They cross shop here

bob and john > EL_ULY 11/30/2015 at 00:15

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is the back seat actually usable? I mean for those who age isnt in the single digits.

EL_ULY > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 00:17

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Same as a DB9 and SC430 lol. Though, if you’ve ever owned a 2 seater car, having the rear space comes in handy

chaozbandit > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 00:26

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Hey man, that VW has comfortline in it’s name. I bet it’s comfortable!

But in all seriousness, at <$70K it’s hard to beat a W204 C63. I can vouch for them being popular in a city with many universities. (And Toronto because... Toronto).

bob and john > EL_ULY 11/30/2015 at 00:28

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okay, the 2 vehicles I have ever had were that 2000s saab 93 which had a god-dam cave for a trunk and lounge for a back seat, and a motorcycle which was a 1 foot by 6inch piece of plastic wrapped in foam.

bob and john > chaozbandit 11/30/2015 at 00:28

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your in TO?! WTF?! how come you never came by to meet me and Cletus44?!?!

chaozbandit > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 00:35

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I thought you knew when we talked about car meets and stuff LOL I study in Waterloo most of the year so probably no time. When was this meet?

bob and john > chaozbandit 11/30/2015 at 00:39

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random points over the summer LOL.

are you going to be back in town over the winter break? might make a good chance for all of us to hang and shoot the shit

chaozbandit > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 00:55

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Probably! Just lemme know the deets and I’ll see when Im free

bob and john > chaozbandit 11/30/2015 at 00:57

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do you have me on FB? tht would be easier (your not micheal by any chance? Sorry i’m horrid with connecting FB names to kinja users)

chaozbandit > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 01:02

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I don’t haha and nope I go by Jacky. Just search my kinja user on FB, I’ll be the asian dude. Same for Twitter and instagram, if you use ‘em.

EL_ULY > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 08:53

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lol there ya go :]

PushToStart > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/30/2015 at 11:58

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It was more of a playful comment than anything else, but yeah I'm aware

C62030 > bob and john 11/30/2015 at 20:52

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True. But that just means you can get a well-equipped Porsche for the price of a new base Evora, and to my eye, the Porsche looks better and has a much prettier interior.

C62030 > BeaterGT 11/30/2015 at 20:54

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Yeah, for a Lotus. The Elise and Evora do not have pretty interiors, at least to my eye. I love the Cayman’s interior, especially that lovely wheel. No nonsense, but also none of those stupid Carrera GT-style growths where spokes should be.